Wallace Wattles wrote a book almost 100 years ago called The Science of Getting Rich. In that book, Mr. Wattles said, The purpose of nature is the advancement and unfoldment of life, and every man should have all that can contribute to the power, elegance, beauty, and richness of life. To be content with less is sinful.
Rebecca Fine is one of the leading experts in the world on The Science of
Getting Rich. Since 1998, Rebecca has introduced hundreds of thousands of people
to the powerful principles which Mr. Wattles wrote about a century ago. Rebecca
almost never works and says that the less she works, the more money comes to
her. She’s also one of the most outrageously, consistently happy people you’ll
That’s how life works for Rebecca, the founder of the eight-year-old Science of
Getting Rich Network, a little hobby site she set up just to give away free
eBook copies of the little book that had sparked a total transformation of her
own life. That site now has hundreds of thousands of members in 194 countries.
Rebecca loves to tell the story of how all that came to be. Even more, she
loves the amazing reality of the marvelous life she gets to live now, not to
mention witnessing the success of the thousands of people she has exposed to the
powerful principles The Science of Getting Rich teaches about living an
abundant, fulfilling life. To get a free copy of The Science of Getting Rich, go
Interviewing Rebecca is Dr. Alexandra Gayek, the founder of The Science of Being
Well Network, and the creator of the well-known Be Well magazine. Alexandra, in
her own field, in the field of health, has introduced hundreds of thousands of
people to the principles that Mr. Wattles taught in the area of health. You can
also get a copy of Mr. Wattles’ book, The Science of Being Well, by going to
ALEXANDRA GAYEK: I’m delighted to be here with my friend, Rebecca, who I
get to ask questions to for the benefit of all of you. To start with, Rebecca, I
want to know if you’d be willing to tell people how following your path to doing
what you love to do-which you’re better at than most people I know, doing only
what you like to do instead of what you don’t like to do-how did that lead you
to what little work you do today?
REBECCA FINE: You
know better than most people, Alexandra, just how little I do work. Yes, I’m
delighted to tell people how it came about. It sort of depends on how far back
we want to go and how did my passions lead me to doing this. Basically what
happened was that in 1998, as Chris mentioned, someone gave me a book, The
Science of Getting Rich. A fellow who was a life coach just sent me an
email-I somehow got on his list-and offered a copy.
I was in a business at the time, in a network marketing business, as probably many of our listeners are. It was doing okay, but nothing you’d really want anybody to know much about. It was puzzling to me because I’d been more successful in other things. I really wanted to be successful. When I saw this title, The Science of Getting Rich, I thought, There’s a science to it? Gee, I want to know! Sure, I want a copy.
I got it. It came in the mail, I ripped open that package, I sat down, and two hours later I’d read the whole book. I felt that this big light bulb had appeared above my head, even though I really didn’t understand, as it turned out, quite a lot of it. What I did understand showed me basically where I was getting off track, where I was going wrong, if you want to call it that.
It turned out it was all to do with my attitude, with my thinking, with where I was placing my focus. I went into the office where my partner at the time was working, and I said, I know what we’re doing wrong. I know what we’re going to do to change it. Read this. She said, Okay. I said, No, I mean right now.
So she did, and she came back to me two hours later and said, Oh, yes, you’re
We began to study that book. We began to read it every day, and read it over and over. We
didn’t know what else to do just to try to understand it better. I thought,
Practice makes perfect, and repetition is the mother of mastery, so I just
kept reading it and reading it. I memorized huge chunks of it. I printed out the
summary at the end of the book and taped it to the wall in every room of the
That business began to change. Within six months we went from so-so to amazing. In
fact, one of the great things about network marketing-I guess this can be a
double-bladed sword, but for us it was a great thing-is that when you become
successful, especially if it appears to others that it’s happened overnight,
they don’t keep it a secret.
Within minutes, practically, the company CEO was on the voicemail telling everybody
that we had come from out of nowhere, as he put it, to this huge monthly income.
Of course, we were thrilled, but I was still a little not sure that it worked. I
wanted to really prove it, so I waited about six months into this amazing
change, and not just a change in money, but a change in everything.
I was so much happier, everything seemed so much easier, more flowing, and then I
realized, I think I’ve proven it works. I want to share it with other people.
I had a natural way to do that with the network. I had a little website, and I
offered it to people. I offered to do a little summer kind of reading-discussion
group, not presenting myself as any kind of expert, but just saying, Look, this
is what I found. I’m happy to share it with you.
So many people took me up on it and started referring their friends that I got tired of
emailing that little PDF eBook I’d made. I set up a little homemade, like Chris
said, hobby website. There was nothing on there. I wasn’t even capturing email
addresses or anything. I was just saying, Here’s the book. Read it. Have fun.
Then I set up a discussion forum, and the whole thing just sort of mushroomed
from there. It continues to amaze me every moment of every day. It’s wonderful.
ALEXANDRA GAYEK: Very good. After the summer Science course that you did,
whatever it was you called that, isn’t that what built into the course you teach
REBECCA FINE: That
was part of it. Like I said, that site was just a little hobby site. I never set
it up to be a business. I had a business that was pretty much taking all of my
attention. I was just giving away the book, doing that little discussion group,
and then doing the forum. It was so funny because before I was a network
marketer, I was a marketing consultant, so I wasn’t doing any of the things I
knew how to do if I had wanted that to be a business.
Finally, people were saying to me over and over again, I love this book, but I don’t
have time to read it 150 times like you did. I wish I could listen to it. I
must have heard that for another six months or longer before it finally got
through my skull, Oh, why don’t I just give these people what they want? I
never had imagined that I would record anything. I always kind of thought I
sounded like Minnie Mouse when recorded, but I lived in Seattle, which is full
of recording studios.
I went in, I recorded the book, and it turned out great. Clearly, I’m not a
professional announcer/narrator, but I get so many comments from people that
what they get from it is that passion I feel for the book, that enthusiasm, that
exhilaration, and that deep wanting to share it with other people. Then I
noticed, finally, that people kept asking the same questions over and over, so I
did a little teleclass. That was fun and that was exciting.
It was amazing response, and people got some great stuff from it. I realized that I’m
the kind of person who gets bored easily, and I don’t want to keep doing the
same thing over and over. Mr. Wattles also teaches us the necessity for taking
efficient action. It wasn’t efficient for me to keep answering the same
questions over and over, or even to keep saying the same things in a teleclass,
so I created an online course. I didn’t really know how, but I did it and it
Now more than 8,000 people have taken the course. The success stories that I hear from
people and how they’ve begun to allow abundance into their lives in every
way-and you know this from doing the work with people in the area of health-is
the most rewarding, most exciting, most exhilarating thing that can happen. It
just blows my mind every day.
ALEXANDRA GAYEK: Yes, I do know! People who want to follow in your
footsteps can still take that course? You still have that online. I want to
mention what Chris said a moment ago, that if people have joined since the
beginning of the call, the way to get to the website to get the book and see
the course, sign up for the course, get the audio book that she’s described is
Thereare a few things I want to go back and ask you about right away, and the first
thing is what did you do differently in your network-marketing business that
really changed things for you? What are the principles that you put into effect
from reading that book 150 times?
Every time I get asked that question, I just get this feeling of it being so
embarrassing to have to say what I changed, but it’s good. It’s true. Basically
what changed, as I said before, was my attitude, and here was the biggest thing.
I had no knowledge of the Law of Attraction up until reading that book. What I
realized was that when I was trying to work with people to show them how they
could create this income in their lives, they would sign up and they would get
all excited, and then they would do nothing, I would get so frustrated.
I would focus on that, and I would-and this is the embarrassing part-think of them as
losers. I wouldn’t say that, but I would think that way and so did my partner.
We would fuss and fume, What are we going to do with this bunch of losers? The
Law of Attraction is self-fulfilling prophecy. Duh! Look what we got. When we
changed our attitudes, everything changed.
Really, if you wanted to put it down into the tiniest nutshell, I think that’s what the
book is about. It’s about what you change, what you give your focus to, and how
you think about the things and the circumstances in your life. Take your focus
off of what you consider to be lacking and what you consider to be wrong, and
put it onto what you want, what you want to be, do, and have, as we are always
saying, then everything changes. It sure did for me.
You were still looking at the same group of people, but you looked and saw
different things in those people?
REBECCA FINE: I
saw different things in those people. I began to see different things in me. I
began to look at the whole business differently, and I’ll tell you what
happened. It was almost instantaneous. Our company at the time was going into
Canada for the first time. This was within weeks of first reading this book and
starting to apply what we thought.
A major player in another similar company in Canada saw our training website online and
called us. We just attracted this fellow into our lives, into our business, and
we didn’t have to do anything really. He just kind of made it all happen. That’s
the beauty of it. I’m going to go off on a tangent here, but it’s not so much
about the work.
You could work, work, work. We were certainly working hard, but that’s not what does
it because there is not enough work in the world, enough action in the world to
make up for thinking those other kinds of thoughts that take you in exactly the
opposite direction of where you want to go.
Have you found that same principle that you just described there applying in
other parts of your life besides in that business?
REBECCA FINE: Yes, everything! It’s amazing. Like you said, for example, I
really hardly work anymore, and it’s not just from The Science of Getting Rich
website. It seems like whatever projects I create or work on just turn out
great. It’s a funny thing because it all seems so counterintuitive, but it does
seem like the less I work, the more money comes to me, the better I feel, the
more new friends show up, the more I get to go off to other countries and other
places and have these wonderful adventures. It’s more about just kind of
relaxing and taking my focus off what does not please me and just letting
everything that does come with it.
ALEXANDRA GAYEK: Woo-hoo!
REBECCA FINE: That’s how I feel! Yippy-skippy!
Think about it, talk about it, and all that. The stories that other
people tell, lots of times people get excited just hearing the results, like
Wow, I made all this money, but when people tell the story of what did they
change that made it possible, what kind of stories would you say they tell? Can
you give examples?
Let’s see. I can give you examples of people who’ve done everything, stuff that I actually didn’t expect, like having a life of health and vitality after being chronically ill for a long time, just from reading this book; well, not just from reading the book, of course, but from taking it on, from taking on the message and beginning to shift their thinking. Like I said, for me too, you don’t have to understand it all.
It seems like the tiniest little shift. It’s like what my friend, Theresa Romane, calls
the two-degree shift. I’m a sailor so I know that if you get off course by two
degrees, over time you’re going to be way off from where you were originally
headed. That can be a really good thing if you want to shift just a tiny little
bit. I’ve seen people go from bankruptcy to millions of dollars. A lot of these
stories are right there on my website, and certainly the discussion forum is
filled with them.
The great thing, I think, is that we all have different ideas about what prosperity
means, what rich means, what abundance means. It doesn’t matter how you define
it, whether you want to create some multi-million-, billion-dollar empire, you
just want to be able to quit your job, you just want to be able to enjoy your
job, or you just want to be able to live your life in the way you want it. To
me, that’s freedom, to be able to live the way you want without having to worry
about all these other things.
It’s all there for you; it’s just a matter of being willing and able to make that shift.
We’re so conditioned to look at what’s wrong. Look at the news, The sky is
falling! The sky is falling! We do it in every area of our lives. As soon as we
begin to understand that that’s not even making us feel good in the moment, it’s
certainly not bringing us anything we want or taking us where we want to go. As
soon as we begin to pull back from that and, instead, focus on how we want to
feel, then things begin to change.
It sounds like we’re talking about passion again.
REBECCA FINE: Well, yes!
What are some of the other principles? You said a couple of things; you said
that people ask you a lot of questions, and I’m curious to know when people tell
stories, what do they say they actually did in terms of changing their attitude
or changing their thinking, because Mr. Wattles talks about all these different
things in the book. What is it people say they did in order to achieve those
kinds of results?
It’s different for different people, but the minute you asked that question
this one particular example popped into mind. This was actually early on, and I
don’t know why it stays in my mind so much. Perhaps it was just because of the
sheer amount of appreciation this particular woman felt for how her life had
She was a chiropractor and, like so many people who work so hard, she had started out with a great deal of passion for that work, for her patients, and for how she was helping them to improve their lives. Over time, she had become really burned out and had really, as she put it, gotten to the point where she just hated her whole practice. She could hardly drag herself there in the morning.
She read this book, she took the course, and she began to shift just little by little.
Mr. Wattles, for example, talks about the importance, if you’re in a job or a
business, of more than filling your present place so that you can expand beyond
it. She began to take that onboard, and she began to look for ways every day in
her own practice-she would drag herself there and force herself-to find
something to appreciate.
She did that every day. She looked for things to appreciate. She looked for reasons why this was wonderful. She began to appreciate the fact that she didn’t have to work for somebody else. She began to appreciate the fact that she did have patients, and a lot of people didn’t. She began to appreciate the individual stories of the people who came to her.
She just looked for things to appreciate, and this magic began-it seems like magic, it feels like magic-to happen for her, too, to the point that, not only did her practice begin to grow and thrive so that she was financially better off, but she fell in love with her work again. That’s what passion is all about. That kind of thing happens time and time again in just every area you can imagine.
That’s a good illustration of what you said a minute ago, where just a
small shift at a time, little steps in looking for what you like about something
or what you like about someone-like the story you were telling about your
people-those little things add up and make a big difference.
Yes, those little things add up and make all the difference.
Can you talk a little bit more about this concept of ‘more than
filling your present place’? I know there are people who think, I have big
dreams. I don’t like my job and I want to get out of it. I want to launch off to
something else, and they have big visions for the future. How do people make a
transition from something that they don’t want and like? What does that mean
about ‘more than filling their present place’?
REBECCA FINE: Mr.
Wattles also says that you don’t have to do what you don’t like and, in fact,
you shouldn’t do it except as a means to bring you to the doing of what you do
want to do. He says, Yes, for the moment there may be things that are not so
great about where you are, but you can use that, like you said, as a
springboard to something else.
This idea of ‘more than filling your present place,’ a lot of people seem to think it
means only if you have a job, if you have an employer, but it’s also true if you
own your own business, if you’re in some kind of independent contractor
situation or wherever you are, even if you don’t have a job per se. A lot of
women ask me, I’m a stay-at-home mom, or something, and I don’t even have a
business or a job. How can this come to me?
I want to say, first, that a job or a business are wonderful things, but those are just
individual channels through which financial good can come to you, and that
whatever place you find you’re in, you can expand beyond it. For example, using
the example of the chiropractor, she looked for ways to give more to her
patients. Like I said, I used to be a marketing consultant, and here’s what I’m
thinking; in business a lot of people are out there trying to see how much they
can get in terms of price for how little they can give. They don’t understand
they’re shooting themselves in the foot that way.
A lot of employees will do as little work as they can, just enough not to get fired, and
then the employer will, in turn, pay them just enough to keep them from
quitting, so everybody’s sort of painting themselves into a corner just trying
to do a little bit. Now Mr. Wattles also says that when you begin to try to put
in more of yourself, to build your own passion for what you’re doing, to find
that little spark and fan it, that you don’t do it with an eye toward pleasing
the employer per se, and thinking that that’s where your rewards will come from.
Just as when my partner and I began to shift our thinking, all that good came to us in a
way we could not have imagined. We could never have dreamed up that this person
would just phone us and then do all the work for us. The same thing happens to
us in every situation. Yes, it might show up in a way you could have imagined,
but prepare to be astonished at how things show up.
A new job appears, a new idea pops into your brain, new opportunities, new people, new
connections; all kinds of things begin to flow to you when you take your
attention off of whatever is wrong, whatever you think is lacking, whatever
you’ve got a grudge against or whatever, and put it instead on being more. I
don’t mean working harder to be more. I mean just experiencing more, just
letting yourself fill up with the wonderful feeling.
Just play the ‘what if’ game. What if I really could just go sail around the world?
What if I really could just be financially free? What if I could? What if? What
if? Just let yourself feel all that, because Mr. Wattles also says that just
thinking about it is important. Some people think they just have to think about
what they want, focus really hard, visualize, and do all this hard work, but he
says ‘enter at once into the full enjoyment of that picture,’ whatever picture
That right there is the key. There’s the passion right there. I hear a lot of people focusing on, I want a million dollars, and I think, why? What are you going to do with it? What’s it going to make you feel like? What is it you think that million dollars is going to give you? We’re all programmed to think certain things mean success, certain things mean prosperity.
Really, none of that matters. It’s only what matters to you. What gets your juices
going, what makes you feel exhilarated and happy and like, Wow? What is a
Hell, yes! for you? That’s where the passion is. If you focus on that, then
you can ride that wave and it will carry you past all that other stuff.
It sounds like you’re describing something that goes a little bit
beyond what was really shown in the movie, The Secret. There is a lot of
focus in there on, at least from what I remember from seeing it a little while
ago, I want to have this car or I want to have this house or I want to have
this particular thing. It sounds like you’re describing something different
from imagining the thing itself that you think you want.
Imagining the thing, I think that’s great. Imagine the thing you want if you
really want it, not just because you think it’s what you’re supposed to have. We
get caught up in that stuff. Imagining the thing is great if it makes you feel
wonderful. If it just makes you feel like, God, I’ll never get there, then I
would say to think about something else, because now you’re going back to
focusing on lack.
If you can’t get to imagining something really huge right now, then think about something smaller. It’s all relative. There’s no size in what Mr. Wattles calls the ‘formless substance,’ this vast energy field out of which, by which, and through which everything is created. We can create anything. It’s as easy to think yourself from New York to Amsterdam as it is to think yourself across the room.
you’re starting, it’s good to focus on something you actually believe is
possible. I say imagine as far as you can, imagine as far as you can feel good,
and as soon as you find yourself starting to get a little like, No, this is not
really going to work, then pull back and stay there for a while, and see what
I would agree with you about the subject of health on that one, too.
People think, I want a miracle that happens overnight, but they don’t really
expect it. They just think, Wouldn’t that be cool, but you get into this space
of ‘wouldn’t that be cool’ instead of the space of ‘that will never happen.’
That’s what we want.
Yes, and when you get into the space of ‘wouldn’t that be cool? Wouldn’t that
be great?’ then before you know it something happens, and it feels like a
What are the questions that are the most common that people ask about
how to apply The Science of Getting Rich and the Law of Attraction, in
Wow. What are the questions that are most common? I don’t know. I think we only
have about an hour for this whole interview, so I’m not sure I could tell you
all the questions that are most common. If anybody goes to the discussion forum,
you’re going to see that even there the same questions get asked again and
again. I’ve actually removed myself. I used to answer those questions for people
individually and by email, but that’s not efficient action.
That’s why the course exists, and that’s why the forum exists. I’ll give you an answer,
but I just want to say that people ask me that, and I require of them that they
then make a commitment. If they want my personal response to a question, they
have to make a commitment first. I think it’s only fair, and they have to commit
to doing that course, which, by the way, anyone can access because everybody
sets their own tuition.
It’s accessible for anyone anywhere in the world who can get to the Internet. The
kinds of questions people ask range from things that seems to most of us,
probably, really basic and really simple, like How could I actually be
responsible for the life I’m living? How could I actually have any effect on the
world, the universe? How can this be that I am creating or attracting every
experience of my life? It’s a really basic question, but it’s also a huge
That’s one that people ask a lot. Then people do get down into the nitty-gritty details
of that one about How do I more than fill my present place? That comes up over
and over again. People tend to sometimes get caught up in this whole idea that
it’s their actions, so they want to know, What do I do in these certain
situations? Or, they tell me, I’m having this particular problem right now.
I’m in this situation. What do I do? I want to say don’t do anything, not until
you’ve done the thought work first.
If you’re acting from a place that I call just mere motivation, which is you’re
acting from fear or from anything that’s external to you, then you’re not likely
to like the results long-term, but when you get into that place of really
focusing on what’s good-and appreciation is a great way to get yourself there,
appreciation and gratitude for what’s already great-when you get into that place
and you can get your thinking all lined up so that you feel good, now you can
take any action you want, any action that seems to you like the appropriate
thing to do next. It’s going to bring you to a much better place.
ALEXANDRA GAYEK: I’d say exactly the same thing with The Science of Being Well, where the
thing that people get caught on is What should I eat? I’m trying to tell them,
Don’t make that decision from a place of desperation, a place of fear, and a
place of rejecting yourself. Instead, make it from the place of being in the
happy alliance, best possible place, and then see what appeals to you from
That’s exactly it and, of course, it makes sense that that’s exactly it,
because Wallace Wattles wrote both of these books and he’s teaching the same
principles. It’s universal law. He doesn’t use the term. I don’t think we’ve
seen it in any of his writings. You and I have gone through pretty much
everything the man ever wrote.
I don’t think we ever saw him actually use the term Law of Attraction. Yet, he was one
of the very first people to actually be writing about it, to tell us how we were
creating out of the formless substance, as he calls it, everything and every
experience that we have.
ALEXANDRA GAYEK: That
brings us to that great big question you said people ask, which is how could I
have any effect on creating things? How do you answer that question?
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