Chris Attwood: Our guest this month is none other than Dr. John Gray, the author of 15 best-selling books, including Men Are From Mars, Women Are From Venus, the number-one, best-selling book of the last decade. In the past 10 years, over 30 million Mars/Venus books have been sold in over 40 languages throughout the world.
Dr. Gray, as many of you may know, is an expert in the field of communication and his focus is helping men and women understand, respect and appreciate their differences, in both their personal and professional relationships.
In his numerous books, CDs, DVDs, tapes, workshops and seminars, he provides practical tools and insights, which we’re going to explore with him tonight, for effectively managing stress and improving relationships at all stages, at all ages, by creating the brain chemistry of health, happiness and lasting romance.
You’re in for a real treat tonight. Dr. Gray has appeared on numerous shows such as Oprah, the Today Show, CBS Morning Show, Good Morning America, Politically Incorrect, Larry King, and lots of others. He’s also been profiled in Newsweek, Time magazine, Forbes, USA Today, TV Guide, People and New Age Journal, among others.
It is my pleasure to now turn it over to my partner, Janet Attwood, the author of The Passion Test – Discovering Your Personal Secrets to Living a Life on Fire, which is the inspiration of this series, The Passions of Real Life Legends, in which we explore why passion is so important and how the passions of each of our guests have led them to create the incredible, amazing lives they lead today. Janet, will give you a little personal perspective on Dr. John Gray, because she’s just gotten back from spending five days with him.
Janet Attwood: You really know you’re with an icon when you’re walking down the streets in Nepal, talking to Nepalese people and they happen to know the name John Gray! That was my experience being in Nepal and India. John is known all over the world, in every area. He’s wonderful.
As Chris said, I just got through spending five wonderful, glorious days at John’s ranch. There were about 30 of us, and we all walked away saying the same thing about John, because we got to have very quality, personal time with him. Across the board it was all the same, Isn’t he just the greatest guy? Isn’t he so normal, real, connected, loving and generous?
We were sitting around this kitchen table and John was telling us some of the stories and personal experiences that he went through that led him to write certain parts of his book.
He said, Everything I write about is something that I first experienced, and what I come out with in terms of my knowledge and what I tell people that would be good for them, I first try on me. I love it because Jack Canfield would be laughing; he says John is the seminar that never ends when you ask him a question.
At Healthy, Wealthy nWise, we believe the things we love and the things, which are most important to us in our lives, our passions, are clues and guideposts to our personal destinies. Did the things that are most important in your life play a role in the creation of Men Are From Mars, Women Are From Venus?
Dr. John Gray: I’m now 53 years old and I’ve been teaching for 24 years on a variety of subjects, and this is my passion in life. As I grew older, I had a wonderful relationship with my parents and in the early 1980s, I married my wife, Bonnie, and we went on our honeymoon.
I got the news, on my honeymoon, that my father had died. My father was in good health, so it was a huge shock to me, just gigantic shock, I was very upset. I even asked, How did he die? How did he die? Nobody would tell me until finally I got one of my family members on the phone who would tell me. They said that he had been found dead in the trunk of his car.
He had been found in the trunk of his car. He had gone on a trip that day and my mother had called the police and said, He hasn’t arrived, it’s been five hours, and they said that they had heard, gotten messages that there was a car abandoned on the side of the road.
It turned out that he had picked up a hitchhiker and was probably robbed, he didn’t have his money. He had to get into the trunk of his car, and they closed the lid on it and he couldn’t get out. He eventually died of heat stroke in the Texas sun in the trunk of his car.
The police had actually received three other calls that day, reporting his car, and we think it was the person who had put him in the car and didn’t leave until he thought the police would come and get him out. So he called the police three times, and they didn’t respond.
This added to the tragedy. I went and saw the car with my family and the crime scene, so to speak, and I got into the trunk, where he had lain. I wanted to see what would happen.
You could see the marks of a screwdriver where he tried to bang and have somebody come and get him. I saw where he tried prying open the back trunk, and I saw where he unscrewed the back lights so he could pull them out and get air.
While I was laying there trying to experience what he might have gone through, because I just wanted to connect with him, I put my arm out through the little hole where the light was, and my brother, who was standing on the outside of the trunk said, John, see if you can press the button. See if you can reach the button.
So I reached around, pressed the button and the lid opened, and we were all amazed. But when you’re in the trunk, you really don’t think about how to get in, you think about how to get out. You’re trying to get out, so you’re all the time thinking about how to get out. You need somebody who was standing on the outside, who could see where the button was, and just press the button and it’s easy.
This was a huge loss for me, of course, and in processing it one of the things I did is I went to San Quentin and I taught seminars to the prisoners there, to try to understand what goes on, to forgive whoever had done this. But in that process, I realized that the lesson was we all live in our own trunks and our own boxes, and we can’t find our way out, in certain ways and certain places we were out, and other places we’re not. And we have to look to someone else who has another viewpoint, and then can often guide us to that button.
At that point, as a marriage counselor, I started thinking, What if men and women really did look at things differently and they were drawn to each other because women have a perspective that we men need, and men have a perspective that women need and in certain ways we come together for that?
So I started, in my counseling, assuming that my way of thinking was not always the right way of thinking, particularly when I was dealing with women. Maybe they had an opposite point of view and I could try to understand their opposite point of view to make the relationship better.
That’s where I began my focus on the differences between men and women, and how we see things differently, and how we can support each other by understanding our different needs. That’s when I began studying the gender differences, which eventually gave rise to the Men Are From Mars, Women Are From Venus, and that was the beginning of that new direction in my life, of trying to look at things always from the almost-opposite point of view.
Sometimes, not always, but sometimes, you’ll find an incredible solution, particularly when you find that your own perspective isn’t working, then you find that if you switch the point of view, you now have a whole new terrain, so to speak, a whole new box, a whole new perception to look at the problem, reversing it around, and that became a guiding principle in my life, in my work and certainly is the blessing of my father in my life.
Janet Attwood: These experiences are where your depth comes from, isn’t it?
Dr. John Gray: Well, I’d like to share another story, since we’re going in the direction, then we can focus on my current work. But in terms of origin, the whole idea of Men Are From Mars, and this is a concept for achieving success, making your dreams come true, following your heart and your passion.
Often the thing which is most important to us, other people don’t appreciate right away. They don’t recognize it right away, so I had a lot of resistance to my ideas of Men Are From Mars, Women Are From Venus.
My first book I wanted to be Men Are From Mars, Women Are From Venus, and no publisher was interested in that title. They thought it sounded too much like astrology, so I couldn’t get it published. Finally, I got a little publishing house and I partnered with them to do the same book, but we changed the title since nobody liked it, to: Men, Women and Relationships.
It’s a great book, particularly from a woman’s perspective. When I was doing my book tour, all the publicity people, all the media was saying, Oh, we already did this. We did this, so I couldn’t get much media on my book. I said to myself, ‘Okay, just keep persisting, but in eight months, you’ll push again harder.’
They [the media] didn’t realize this was going to be an ongoing phenomena that people would be interested in gender differences. They thought it was just a fad, and they didn’t want to do another book on it.
My book, anyway, through word of mouth and my seminars, it continued to sell and it did very well, so well that New York agent approached me and said, I’d like to sell this to a New York publisher, and you can get national distribution and really have a big impact with it.
I thought, ‘Wow, this is my dream come true!’ I just held in there and kept promoting it and so forth. It was fabulous, and it was about to be sold to Harper Collins or one of the major publishers in New York. I went to my distributor, which was a small distributor in California, and told them the good news and didn’t realize that this was bad news for them, because it meant I would be taking a book away from them.
They had worked hard and were the only people that would carry my book. As I was thinking to my friends, they all said, John, there’s no contract. This is what’s done. You don’t owe them anything. They made their profit and you go with your dream, which is you want the New York publisher.
So I said, I don’t really know what to do. It doesn’t feel good for me to pull something out from under you.
They said, Well, talk to the President of our company.
So I went in and talked to the President of the company, and from his point of view, it was very optimistic. He was saying, We think we can do as much as a New York publisher. We plan to do this and this and this, and we’d like you to give us a chance. From one point of view, just thinking success, I would have just gone with New York, but my heart… In that moment, I was listening to him speak, and I just felt so much love for this person, who had helped me to get my book launched.
He said, This is what happens whenever they’re successful, somebody takes away the book. And at that moment, I had the strong feeling of my brother; I felt the memory of my younger brother.
My younger brother was always very close with me. I was his older brother. I wasn’t always the perfect older brother, and you do your best, but my father was rather removed at that point, so I really was like a father. As a kid, you can’t really expect yourself to know everything a parent should know, so I wasn’t the perfect parent.
Later on, as I went off to college and so forth, he ended up becoming manic depressive, bipolar, and went on many medications and so forth, and then later in life, he eventually committed suicide, so that was another huge tragedy in my life. I remember feeling so guilty inside and sorry, and wishing I could have done something.
What I’ve learned from all my messages with my younger brother is that, in my life, I want to make sure that I never walk over anybody to become successful.
In certain senses, I did that with my younger brother, and not intentionally, but there were times when I would leave him and go off and be with my teenage friends and he would feel left out. I felt like I had neglected him. So I learned, when you love people, you don’t minimize them or forget them as you move on to other things, but you try to include them.
So that awareness came, and I said to the President of the publishing house, Okay. You can carry the book. You’ve done a great job.
And then my agent says, What are you talking about? You’re not going to sell it to New York?
I said, No.
I’m walking out the door and she’s saying, But this is crazy. What will you do?
I said, I don’t know, and as I was walking down the stairs, I said, I know what I’ll do. I’ll write another book and I’ll call it Men Are From Mars, Women Are From Venus, and that’s the book Men Are From Mars, Women Are From Venus, which was a better book than Men, Women and Relationships.
Chris Attwood: Amazing story.
Dr. John Gray: Yes, it’s an amazing story, and I would have never thought to do that had I not been in that position, and I would never had the title, once again, Men Are From Mars, and I wouldn’t have made it such a big success. Because what I had done is I had learned from the first book, which was like all my research and all of my ideas, but it was too dense for most people.
I’d done a lot of market research after people bought the book. I asked them what did they like best, what did they read? Most people didn’t even finish it, but they loved the book, so I decided I would take the ideas of the first half of the book, simplify them, shorten them, give more examples, and then the book was very easy for people to read.
Then many years later, I wrote another book which was the other half, and that’s called Mars and Venus Together Forever, which was also a best seller. Circumstances are never the way you expect them to be, but if you just keep following your heart, it guides you and it leads you until things unfold, sometimes in the most surprising ways.
Chris Attwood: John, the point you’re bringing out here is a fascinating one, because in these Passions Interviews, one of the themes we’ve heard over and over again is that even when one’s following one’s passions, it’s very frequently the case that you’ll run up against major obstacles and things don’t work out the way you think they will.
What I’ve heard, as you’ve been speaking, is that over and over again, you followed your heart, even when it seemed not to make sense sometimes, and you wound up going in a direction which ended up even better than what you would have otherwise…
Dr. John Gray: Oh, it’s unimaginable, it was so much better. Absolutely. It just turned out in ways I could have never imagined, but I had that dream and I had that desire, and I wanted to write a best selling book that would affect the whole world, and it has been doing that. It took a long time. It was a process and there are many more stages in that process.
As the book took off, we felt blessed. Harper Collins said, Oh my gosh, you’ve got the Oprah show right in your tour! So I went on the Oprah show, but they had me in the last five minutes of the show. The show was going too long. It was like those were the days where everybody was yelling and screaming at each other and it was like – how are you supposed to come out and solve the problem? There wasn’t any time.
But I did make a great impression on them for another show later. It really didn’t get the results the publisher was expecting. I had even taken all of my savings, which I had at the time, completely everything, and invested it in commercials, which also didn’t pan out either. Whatever – it was an expression of my full commitment, I suppose.
The publisher’s kind of like, Well, it didn’t work out, and that was that. They dropped their whole momentum on the whole thing and six, seven months later, it just crept onto the best-seller list by word of mouth, at the bottom of the list – the very bottom of the Publisher’s Weekly list, 13 or 14 or something like that.
So it got on the best-sellers list – it was amazing. It’s just that persistence. You keep thinking, ‘Okay, what can I do? What can I do? What can I do?’ and not to give up on your dream, and follow your dream, even though it takes you paths that you didn’t think were going to happen.
Janet Attwood: What I’m hearing from you is this was your passion, so no matter what challenges were in front of you, nothing could stop you, because when you’re aligned with what it is you’re supposed to be doing here on this planet, you’re invincible. Would you not agree?
Dr. John Gray: Oh, absolutely. When you have a dream and a belief that you’re bringing into the world, you are tested so that you have to believe. Even when nobody else believes in you, you have to believe in you.
That’s your process of connecting with your truth inside, and as you believe in what you have to say, who you are, and you’ve lived it out and you know it’s true, then more and more people go into agreement with you, but it’s only because you believe and not because they believe it.
Obstacles will be there, but they actually help us to connect back to who we are and any negative beliefs we might have about ourselves and release those negative beliefs, so that we can come back to what’s really important to us, and what’s true.
Janet Attwood: How are your passions, being expressed in your work now?
Dr. John Gray: Well, right now, my new passion is health and wellness and longevity, as you can see the whole progression of my life. In my 20s, I was a yoga teacher and a meditation teacher, and I made a yoga video even back then. I’ve been doing it a long time.
I became a celibate monk, and studied yoga and that was my passion for nine years. I completed the course and experienced my enlightenment and my true self that I’m a good person that I’m here in the world to make a difference in the world, felt one with the universe – all those good things.
Then I came out to do what was next, and for me, it was to have a family, fall in love and go through relationship issues, and as I went through them, I wrote about my journey and what I learned. And then in my 40s, as I continued teaching the ideas of Men Are From Mars around the world, I began applying it in different areas, to dating, to marriage, to the bedroom, to parenting.
My parenting book, I waited many years to write, it’s called Children Are From Heaven, because I wanted to make sure my kids had grown up and they came out all right – because it’s all about unconditional love and learning to be a strong parent, but very accepting and forgiving, both balancing the hard and the soft in a very positive way. So that was another program.
Then I went off into success programs with Oprah and did about 18 shows with her. As things were important to me, I would teach about them – what was real for me, and what I was growing in and learning about, and sharing with others.
But as I turned to my 40s, health became an issue. Actually I had been down at a resort in Mexico and a parasite got in my eye and caused an infection and I lost the vision in my left eye.
I went to all these doctors, 17 experts, and they couldn’t help it, and then I started doing alternative healing for it, and I got my vision back.
I’m in my 50s now, and as I was learning about all kinds of alternative healing, I began to apply that to relationships because in my own life, my relationship got so much better as I began giving myself the right kind of nutritional support and the right kind of exercise in order to produce brain chemicals like dopamine and serotonin.
Men experience a lot of dopamine in the beginning of a relationship. Whenever something’s new and different or challenging and rewarding and there’s a beginning of the learning curve in something, dopamine increases. Then after a while, dopamine goes down because you become settled, you become relaxed, there’s no learning curve.
Women tend to run out of serotonin, which is the relaxing hormone in the brain. Dopamine gives us energy and serotonin gives us that feeling of everything’s okay now. One of the symptoms of low serotonin can be depression. One out of five women in America is now on an anti-depressant, whereas one out of 50 men is on an anti-depressant. There you see the difference.
If you look at dopamine deficiencies, you have one out of five boys in America is on the dopamine drug, Ritalin, which helps with ADD, and one out of 50 girls. So it’s the same big difference. There are always exceptions everywhere, but the majority of men tend to run out of dopamine very quickly, particularly after they’ve been in a relationship for a while.
And women tend to run out of serotonin after a stressful day, and they want to go home and they tend to do behaviors that increase serotonin, like, Let’s talk. Whereas men will do behaviors that will increase dopamine, like, Let me sit in front of the TV with my remote control and watch a football game or three shows at once.
I found the natural pathways to produce more dopamine, without alcohol, without any drugs, and without coffee, which are all dopamine producers. I provide formulas and exact balances that you drink in the morning, a shake that you drink of protein and omega-3 fat, combined with almonds, combined with molasses to get your minerals, and a few other ingredients, and you get the right balance.
Parents call me all the time and say their children’s’ ADD symptoms are gone within a week! That’s simply because the brain starts to product more dopamine and the ADD symptoms go away.
Most marriage problems that I find are really symptoms, on the man’s side, of low dopamine, and low serotonin on the woman’s side. That can easily be changed in basically nine days.
Chris Attwood: That’s a secret, John.
Dr. John Gray: Yes, that is a big secret, and that’s my new passion – the 9-Day Relationship Makeover. It takes about nine days to wake up the brain, and it requires certain exercises to get the oxygen and blood into the brain, and to provide the body with the nutrients to get to the brain.
Then you have to have certain communication skills to stimulate the brain to produce those hormones, and then at night before you go to bed, there are guided visualizations that you play that stimulate different, target areas of the brain – the pre-frontal cortex, the limbic system, the temporal lobes, the various other sites, parts of the brain, that have to do with different things like reducing anxiety by stimulating a part of the brain, releasing anger through forgiveness and stimulating a part of the brain, increasing dopamine through stimulating the pre-frontal cortex.
These are all things I’ve spent 30 years developing and I’ve been able to put it all together in a package, which is called the 9-Day Relationship Makeover.
Janet Attwood: Is this in a CD or a book?
Dr. John Gray: There’s my most recent book, which is my major passion right now, which is called the Mars and Venus Diet and Exercise Solution Create the Brain Chemistry of Health, Happiness and Lasting Romance. It’s not a diet plan that you deprive yourself of food, but it just tells you what foods to eat, particularly what nutrients to eat and what exercises to do and what relationship skills will awaken the brain to begin experiencing the brain chemistry.
There’s actually a brain chemistry that goes with health, happiness and lasting romance. Let me give you a quick overview of that brain chemistry. When dopamine and serotonin are in balance, a hormone of the body called cortisol goes down. Cortisol is what’s called the stress hormone. In all sickness, underlying all sickness, researchers have been saying for years, 70% then 80%, then 90%.
Ninety percent of sicknesses are all directly linked to elevated cortisol levels or stress. You hear that stress kills us. It’s the cortisol, and balanced brain chemistry lowers cortisol levels. The number one cause of accelerated aging is elevated cortisol levels. The number one cause of obesity is elevated cortisol, but not all people with elevated cortisol will become obese. It depends upon what kind of body type you were born with.
Overweight people struggle because their bodies store toxins in the fat cells and elevated cortisol is responsible for storing those toxins and holding on to the weight. The fat cells store the acids, and that’s why people get fatter and fatter. If you do liposuction, you’ll find that all that fat is filled with toxic acids.
People who don’t have the fat cells to store it in, store it in the tissues and the bad cholesterol gets produced by the liver to isolate those fatty acids and protect the body from them. If you don’t have all the muscle tissues to store it in and you’re a skinny-type person, then when you have elevated cortisol, and your body is producing excess acid because you’re stressed, then the only way the body can get rid of that acid, is to pull the minerals right out of the bones and right out of the brain.
That will neutralize those acids so that at least the cells will get more oxygen. But then you become extremely mineral deficient. So generally, as a counselor, what I’ve seen over the years, if somebody is thin and they come to me for counseling, their problem is always anxiety disorder of some sort, because their brain just isn’t relaxing because it doesn’t have enough minerals.
Then of course, the cholesterol person, the more muscular person, heart disease is their biggest risk, and the obese person, obesity and diabetes is their biggest risk. In the end, the risk for all is cancer because ultimately, when your body can’t protect itself from all those acids, then no oxygen gets to the cells, and when oxygen doesn’t get to the cells, then cancer begins to grow in the body.
Balanced brain chemistry can begin to remedy all these problems, and that creates health and happiness. One out of five women are on anti-depressants. There is something like 30 million men taking Viagra. This is crazy. This is insane. Women can’t get up in the morning because of low serotonin and men can’t get it up because of low dopamine.
This is the whole key to vitality. If you go to cultures where they still have the natural minerals in the food, which are gone in the West, you see that men have vitality. Over 100 years old, they’re still having children. It’s phenomenal, and their testosterone levels never go down their whole lives, whereas for Western men, it goes down around 35.
That’s brief overview of health, happiness and lasting passion – it comes back when you’re able to balance the hormones and brain chemistry. A big part of that is learning some of the relationship skills that I teach, because it’s relationship skills that stimulate the production, but the brain can’t produce those hormones unless it has the minerals, nutrients, amino acids and the enzymes, which I recommend to put into the shakes.
Janet Attwood: John, these are all tools that you’ve used yourself first?
Dr. John Gray: Not that I HAVE used, I use every day.
Chris Attwood: It sounds like the 9-Day Relationship Makeover is a complete package for being able to deal with both the relationship skills, and also in particular, the knowledge for adjusting the brain chemistry, is that right?
Dr. John Gray: That’s right. That’s taken me three years now to actually produce the product. It’s a very complete program. You can do it nine days at home by spending an hour and a half a day doing it, or you could space it out over nine weeks or nine months, even. It’s very powerful to give you the relationship skills, the nutritional insight, the understanding of how the body works.
When you have that understanding, then you realize not only what to do, but you realize why everything you’ve tried in the past hasn’t worked, to whatever extent it hasn’t worked. That’s always the thing people tell me, Now I know why that didn’t work. Now I see why that didn’t work.
Chris Attwood: John, for our listeners and readers who want to take advantage of this knowledge you’re sharing, they can go to www.marsvenus.com?
Dr. John Gray: It is available there. They can go to the bookstore and find any of the books. Most of them are on www.amazon.com as well. I price them the same, so you can get them either place. You can get the 9-Day Relationship Makeover there as well.
Janet Attwood: Thank you so much, John. What is the single most important ideal that you’d like to leave our readers with? Is there anything we haven’t discussed yet?
Dr. John Gray: Well, I wouldn’t say it’s the most important theme, but there’s a little piece of information that I haven’t shared that I think is really vital information.
As I shared in the beginning, my younger brother committed suicide. He was manic-depressive and, he could not bear the side effects of his medication anymore. He was on lithium and it would dramatically help his schizophrenia, his bipolar, when he was on the lithium, but there would be terrible side effects.
That’s because doctors prescribe 100 to 200 times more lithium than your body can assimilate. Therefore, your kidneys are working overtime trying to detoxify all those excess mineral that your body doesn’t need. It creates terrible symptoms of nausea, sleeplessness, irritableness and itching on his body and just despair.
He eventually took his life because he couldn’t bear to go back to having his manic-depressive states, and he couldn’t bear the side effects of lithium. Since that time, they’ve discovered other drugs like Prozac and Zoloft, which help those people, but nothing works as well as lithium. Lithium has the terrible side effects.
Then I discovered that there’s another nutritional supplement, which I call a super mineral. There are several super minerals, which I also talk about in the 9-Day Relationship Makeover. I tell you where you can get these minerals and soon they’ll be available at my website.
One of those super minerals is lithium. It is a natural mineral, just like calcium. It has such terrible side effects for people with schizophrenia and bipolar when they use it as a drug because they are given 100 to 200 times more than their body needs.
A German scientist, Dr. Nieper, discovered that the body only needs 4.5 milligrams or 10 milligrams at the most of lithium. The problem is – how do you get it into the brain – because there’s a blood-brain barrier? If you just take it, it doesn’t get to the brain. He discovered a natural mineral carrier called orotate. He bonds lithium with orotate.
You can take lithium orotate in capsules, and it goes to the brain and feeds it this mineral that it requires. When the brain becomes completely deficient of lithium, then manic-depressive, schizophrenic, bipolar and depression will result for many people.
In history, you’ll see that every famous world leader and every famous scientist had either Obsessive-Compulsive Disorder, which is an imbalance and lack of minerals in the brain, or it was manic depressive, which is a deficiency of lithium in the brain.
What happens is that when your brain becomes very excited, it uses up minerals, and even if your diet has good minerals in it, if your brain is genius quality or if you’re very sensitive and you think a lot or give a lot and create a lot in your mind, you can use up those minerals.
If you’re very positive, you can use up those minerals. People then become depressed until they get more minerals, eat their food and kind of rebuild and so forth. Now, in America, the food we eat is deficient in these minerals because we’ve been using fertilizers for over 100 years.
We really need to find a good source of all of these minerals. Calcium is important, magnesium, potassium, chromium and zinc, these are really important minerals – the sixth, which you can’t get in health food stores, is called lithium orotate.
There are several places on the Internet where you can get it, and you can also be getting it on my website too. What I’ve found is that for many, many people who have ups and downs, irritableness, stresses getting to them, as long as they also provide their body with the right nutrition of amino acids in the morning shake that I recommend with the super foods, then the super minerals provide a whole new level of ease, comfort and peacefulness to life.
What I noticed for myself, personally is that at times… my wife would start saying, Oh, would you do this, would you do that? and it’s just like one more request that I’m ready to grumble and growl, and this irritableness will come up. Or maybe she starts doing something that Venutians do, which is making a lot of suggestions. I’m okay with a few, but not a whole bunch, and I start getting a little grumbly and irritable. It’s a little thing, but it will cling and hold on for the whole day and irritate me or annoy me.
As soon as I started taking the lithium orotate I could just let it go. There are some times we’re upset, we’ll be upset, and then we want to let go, but why can’t we just let go? The mineral that helps us to let to is lithium, so if that’s a tendency, you’ll love lithium as well as one of your good mineral supplements.
I just want to toss that in as very vital information and I wish I’d had that information over 20 years ago to give to my younger brother, because it could have saved his life.
Janet Attwood: Thank you so much for that. I’m going to immediately look on the website for lithium orotate.
Dr. John Gray: We’ll have it there soon, but if somebody wants it immediately, the two other brands, which are very good, are from Vitamin Research [ www.vrp.com ], lithium orotate is very inexpensive; and another one is www.serenity.com. They have a product which is lithium as well.
Chris Attwood: John, thank you so much for being our guest tonight.
Dr. John Gray: Oh, it’s been my pleasure. I’m very happy to spend time with all of you, and it’s an honor for me. I look forward to meeting the people who are listening, maybe at my ranch some day.
