Best-selling author Gregg Braden has gained international renown for pioneering work in bridging science and spirituality.

He had a highly successful career as Computer Geologist during the ’70s energy crisis for Phillips Petroleum. Following that he worked as a Senior Computer Systems Designer with Martin Marietta Defense Systems during the final years of the Cold War. In 1991 he became Cisco Systems’ first Technical Operations Manager, leading the development of a global support team that ensures the reliability of the internet today.

Gregg has explored high mountain villages, searched remote monasteries and pored through forgotten texts to unveil their timeless secrets. His work now features on the Discovery Channel, the History Channel, the Sci Fi Channel and NBC.

Out of his discoveries Gregg has made several paradigm-shattering books such as The Isaiah Effect, The God Code and The Divine Matrix. His Fractal Time: The Secret of 2012 and a New World Age debuted at #5 on the New York Times bestseller list two weeks after its release. Deep Truth is Gregg Braden’s latest book.

Gregg’s work is published today in 33 countries and in 17 languages. Beyond any reasonable doubt his work shows us that the wisdom of our past holds the key to our future.

Gregg Braden: In this book, “Deep Truth,” I’ve identified a series of five false assumptions of science, the new discoveries that overturn those false assumptions and what they mean. It’s a long answer to a short question but I wanted to lay that out early in our conversation and that we can tie into that in bits and pieces throughout the rest of our talk.

Ric Thompson: Fantastic. Yes, I think everyone can agree that as they look over the course of history all new discoveries have led to big changes, to huge advances and typically the larger the new truth that’s discovered the more resistance there is into it being adopted by the mainstream. I think we can all agree with that and all see that throughout history.

Gregg Braden: I think that’s true, Ric. In all fairness, I just want to be very clear. I mentioned mainstream classrooms and textbooks. It’s not the fault of the teachers. The teachers are bound by a covenant and they are required in the United States. I know some of our listeners are beyond our country’s borders but in our country each state determines the criteria and the curricula of what can be offered in the classroom.

So the teachers, even though many of them are on board and would like to share the new discoveries, they’re prevented in doing so by the criteria that preserves their job. So it’s not the teachers’ fault. I just want to be very clear on that.

Ric Thompson: Thank you for that, Gregg. Just to throw my two cents in, again, a lot of you may not know but I actually have a master’s in education and chose not to go that route professionally for, in no small part, to exactly what Gregg just shared. It’s a real shame.

Gregg Braden: Wow. I didn’t know that.

Ric Thompson: Let’s get into the five truths because that’s what I really want to hear about. What are the different things that you’ve come across and are trying to share now with the rest of the world?

Gregg Braden: This is precisely where I was hoping we would go next. What I’d like to do is share with our listeners there are many false assumptions in the scientific community today. Now I was trained as a scientist. I believe in science and the scientific method. I think science is good. We certainly have better lives and a better world because of science in some respects on the one hand.

On the other hand, science does not have all the answers. There are huge gaps and glaring inconsistencies in our scientific understanding of the world and our scientific story of the world. Science, as a way of exploring our world, although we’re accustomed to talking about it, it’s actually a pretty new way of thinking about the world. Science and the scientific method began only during the time of Isaac Newton, about 300 years ago.

So before that time, science and the scientific method were not used. We had other ways of knowing about our world and our ancestors actually did have some pretty solid understandings. They weren’t conveyed in the language of science but they were accurate nonetheless. What I’d like to do is if I could identify five of the assumptions that we now know are false but they play a huge role in our lives every day.

I’d like to identify the assumptions and then we can talk about discoveries that tell us that these are false assumptions. Are you okay if we do it that way, Ric?

Ric Thompson: That would be great, yes.

Gregg Braden: I’m just going to identify them. Each of these is taught in our classrooms and textbooks. When I was in school, I was taught these things. Ric, you probably were. Our listeners and our young people in school today are being taught these things even though peer reviewed science is telling us that this isn’t the full story. In some cases they’re outright false.

The first one is a Darwinian assumption regarding evolution that evolution explains life in general and that evolution explains human life specifically. Now as a geologist I can tell you evolution has happened in the past. It breaks down when it comes to explaining human life so that’s false assumption number one. Number two is that civilization began about 5,000, maybe 5,500 years ago, that civilization is a linear, one time phenomenon from primitive to advanced.

The new data simply doesn’t support that at all yet it’s still being taught as a fact in the classroom and the new data is not being shared. We can talk about that in this program. Number three is that consciousness is somehow separate from our physical world. Number four is actually related to number three that the space between things is empty. Because we cannot measure something, science has said it only exists if we can measure it.

The space between the nucleus and the first electron of an atom, for example, has been thought to be empty or the space between you and me and the people sitting next to us is thought to be empty. Now we know that simply is not true. Number five is another Darwinian assumption and even though it’s the last on the list we may begin there and our conversation today because it, perhaps, has had the greatest impact on the crises that we’re trying to solve in our lives today.

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